Mar 23 2018 – Whitley Strieber series

Gary Lachman’s ‘In Search of P.D. Ouspensky’: Gurdjieff manipulating different sides of Ouspensky; Ouspensky giving up on the ‘work’, saying ‘there is no system’; Gurdjieff reworking Ouspensky’s ideas, parallels in Strieber; Strieber’s concept of viewing human life ‘outside of time’, time having a shape, taken directly from Ouspensky; Strieber as reader of Ouspensky; time as a dimension of space vs. time as change within spatial dimension; Ouspensky’s unique concept transformed into Strieber’s ‘tapestry of memory’; Strieber appropriating, presenting other’s ideas wholesale; Strieber basing his biblical interpretations on Maurice Nicoll’s ‘The Mark’ and ‘The New Man’

Ouspensky’s ‘Tertium Organum’, the status of Ouspensky’s oeuvre; Ouspensky’s interest in Tarot of Marseilles taken on by Strieber; the Tarot as ‘philosophical machine’; Ouspensky’s dimensions holding to one another in strict analogy; tendency of auto-didacts to steal ideas

Questions about Strieber’s latest Journal: Unknown Country and Politics:

Strieber’s claims about his ‘implant’; new mythology built around the implant; Strieber’s ever-vaster claims: blog page:

No previous mention in Strieber’s work of ‘plan of contact; developed between spouses to contact one another after death; no evidence that Strieber only came to ‘believe’ in afterlife in the 1990s; Strieber’s ongoing fabrication of his own mythology; Anne Strieber and her ‘bubbling’ presence: same word (‘bubbling’) used to describe Master of the Key

Strieber singling out Jeremy Vaeni for special praise, a limited place in Strieber’s mythology; Strieber’s dependence on Vaeni for website material and as defender; Vaeni’s desire to be taken as credible authority and to get close to the Great Man; Vaeni’s feuds in UFOlogy disguised as crusades for justice; ‘The Paracast’, David Jacobs, Budd Hopkins; Vaeni’s desire to be an opinion maker; Vaeni leading the charge against “Problems with Strieber and The Key”

The absence of Strieber’s son, Andrew Strieber; statements of support for Strieber and his ‘sincerity’; the negative review on ‘The Afterlife Revolution’ on Amazon; Raven Dana, Marla Frees, Ed Conroy, Jeff Kripal; none can defend Strieber against clear evidence of confabulation, only providing character witness; bankrupt defenses only intended to keep Strieber followers in line; Unknown Country as dying enterprise; death of the forum; movement to Facebook and Twitter to promote content

Dysfunction in spiritual groups, false motives; reciprocal abuse; basic organizational problems; Strieber’s unique role as deceiver: lip service to keeping question open, opposing fantasies and self-deception while engaging in convoluted self-deceptive fantasy; gut reaction to Strieber and his work: BS positioning itself as anti-BS; identifying specific forms of BS while advancing more subtle, self-serving BS; Strieber’s literary talent and intelligence providing no protection

The public harm of Unknown Country; “Problems with Strieber and The Key” and its reception; identifying Strieber’s confabulations, inferring a psychological picture; Ed Conroy’s recurring chapter titles; the disappearance of Strieber’s work; life’s cumulative disappointments; heroes who are self-refuting; learning from disappointments; the basic unreliability of people; Wikipedia on Ouspensky; philosophy as creative speculation or fiction raised to the level of art

Lacan and Lacanian psychoanalysis: infinitely unsatisfactory answers that appear to be correct; Nietzsche as preferred thinker: his voice, his originality, his insights, and the aesthetic of the heroic; all thinkers products of time and place, all become dated; Nietzsche vs. Lacan; philosophy vs. psychoanalysis; Lacan as virtuoso thinker providing appalling insights; impossible object-cause of desire; when innermost private thoughts are biggest BS; when destiny is nothing but accident; traversing the fantasy and ending up precisely nowhere; maturity of outlook

The challenge of parapsychology to psychoanalysis; Dean Radin’s experiments: consciousness vs. randomness; God, aliens, synchronicity; drawing the boundaries between consciousness and physical world; chance doesn’t exist vs. chance is all that exists

Recorded March 23, 2018

Mar 21 2018

Gurdjieff: essence and personality; Jean Vaysse, inheriting essence vs. acquiring personality; personality murdering essence, the walking dead; Gurdjieff’s examples in ‘In Search of the Miraculous’; raspberry jam; experiment left unrepeated; question as to essence and reincarnation; where Strieber got the modified notion of essence; the oral tradition; essence and the ‘solar’ level

The evolution of doctrines in founders and disciples; Gurdjieff’s attitude toward surviving death; confusion surrounding essence vs. personality, the astral body, higher centers in Gurdjieffan practice; the end of Ouspensky’s life; Ouspensky as reader of Nietzsche; eternal recurrence of the same; thought experiment in service of Nietzschean affirmation; how one copes with the death of God, the infinite on all sides; Ouspensky declaring the Gurdjieff Work a failure; the tendency of doctrines to drift; the game of telephone; the efforts of followers to appropriate and invigorate doctrine; the incoherence of all doctrines over time; Gurdjieffan essence as practical psychology vs. mystical concept; factionalism, sectarianism in Gurdjieff work, all groups; jockeying for authority, declaring lines of succession; factionalism in psychoanalysis: Freud, the first generation, Anna Freud; inevitability of fragmentation in doctrinal groups

‘Miraculous’ as snapshot of a period; changing relationship between theory and practice; the possible success of Buddhism; complexity vs. intelligibility in transmitted ideas; the problem of language; freedom to reinvent the wheel; wanting to be the Master; the appeal of mastery as driving force for joining spiritual groups; doctrine as opaque externality applied over time to one’s own experience; a doctrine’s greatest power at the epicenter of personalities; recreating the founding gesture

Politics and in-fighting in ‘spiritual groups’, character defects; the path of spiritual aspiration becoming foreign; distinct spiritual aspiration vs. inchoate desire; spiritual groups becoming a group mind; fault and responsibility for failure; Quora website; Indians worshipping the father in all caps; what people want and why they want; presuming the value of a spiritual path; recurring patterns in desire; Lacanian psychoanalysis; the Lacanian approach: frustrating fantasy formation, doctrinal identification; the nature of desire as hallucination; the unconscious

Life reappraisal, changing perspectives; drinking and emotional development; always being more than one is; a change in perspective reflecting the present moment as much as past ‘facts’; the Self as always a partial view; replacing one partial view with another; the double vision of truth and accident; being trapped by one’s inferences; Goldman’s ‘no one knows anything’; extraterrestrials having their own partial view; the impossibility of comparing one life with another, with comparing one’s life to the might have been; life as experiment that can’t be repeated; the empty fruits of self-knowledge; expressing feelings in terms of facts

Recorded March 21 2018

Nov 27 2015

Impending doom and personal despair; the freak show and the missing ideal; dropping IQs in France; failure of collective response to political problems; omnipresence of stupidity; WW3 and Syria; propaganda on all sides; Notes from a Dying Planet video diary; ISIS as exciting invitation for genocide; ISIS conquering the world, wild ambition to be saluted; climate change

Climate science and its motivation; population reduction, eating insects, bunkbeds; why climate change is even discussed; ‘The Key’ and rapid climate change, global reset mechanism; computer models and assumptions; ‘climate denial’; past warnings: Manhattan underwater by 2010, global cooling; climate mania vs. Jim Sparks’ slow destruction of climate; abductee literature and repeated warnings

Another Key-like scenario: Atlantis being real; being followed by government forces; NYC underwater; the relationship of the ‘visitors’ to Time; possibilities experienced as realities; a greater domain of the Now; an abductee told to be ready who died; visions given by visitors that do not occur; outright deception as possibility

The absence of any absolute Now-point; brain function, relativity; the Now as point vs. overlapping future and past time-cones; disaster scenarios sparking knowledge of mortality, triggering evolutionary change; the burdens of expecting the world to end; disaster scenarios pleasing to everybody

Living a peaceful life vs. spiritual development; aging, energy, and creativity; organs starting to fail at thirty; physical change driving creativity; the writing of 20 year olds vs 50 year olds; Casanova and the wisdom of old women

Patterns of enlightenment, artistic production; youth and old derivative material; Gurdjieff work, the subjective sense of Time; the amount of newness to experience; the benefits of travel; hard drugs vs. deadening of experience

Putting yourself in disastrous situations to gain stimulation; daily life vs. artificial organized spiritual practice; customer service jobs and MLK, Jr.; releasing patterns in certain enlightenment traditions

The future: cubicle slave or zombie apocalypse

Recorded Nov 27 2015

Jun 25 2015

Discussing the experience from Jun 20 2015: Trio; drunk conversation; the analyst not listening and watching conversations; the question of the Tarot cards; simplicity, the ego; not integrating experiences; whether UFOs are hallucinations of a species in its death throes; avoiding simplicity, academic discourse as warfare; the State as reflection of agriculture, a ‘simple’ perspective

Gurdjieff work, acquiring observations about oneself, self-remembering and the ‘chief feature’; whores; the visitor’s possible dilemma: how to relate to the dying

The invisible effects of contact; we are hidden from ourselves; the disproportion between effort and effect in visitor contact; information downloads into abductees, direct vs indirect effects; Stan Romanek’s equations

Truth and spontaneity; most scientific, academic product bullshit; news vs. events; knowledge as social practice; visitors trying to wake us from the dream; gurus

Discourse on drinking; attacked at the pub; bedbugs in ambulances; reasons to stay at home; meditation

Recorded Jun 25 2015

Jun 20b 2015

Gurdjieff: essence vs. personality; Trickster as secular superstition; Jungian archetypes as watered-down Platonism; the State as artifact of agriculture, management of wealth; Jane Goodall ‘negotiating’ with gorillas; public discourse as sublated warfare, the ego as treasured object; the ego as appendix or defect

Strieber’s overlooked contribution to overall picture of aliens: predation – erotics of death – the feral; Strieber’s pissing alien; the pleasant fantasy of the inherent worth of the individual; the nightmare of losing one’s identity; Gurdjieff’s view that not everyone is conscious; consciousness as transconsciousness; the uniformity of collective action in the aliens, highly ordered division of labor

Breaking down the ego: the Marines, cults, religions; the ego as opposed to certain organizational structures; Strieber vs. Greer; spiritual traditions and the relation to otherworldly visitors; tragedy, destruction, and suffering – and spiritual growth; ‘we are individuals’; ego as obstacle, ego as mechanism; Strieber’s short story ‘Pain’; the intersection between life and death, death perceived from the viewpoint of life, the erotic; the limit-experience

Odd Australian bookstores, The Zelator by D. Ovason; commitment to consciousness meaning all karmic bills come due; decision-making from outside of life or early in life to endure hardship; attacks at bars and persecutions; human race burning in the crucible of total suffering; collective memory; shared consciousness, love; avoiding the social as it is currently constituted

World-historical outcomes, global demographic change; O tempora O mores; the moment of maximum suffering; the fruits of meditation; life looking after itself; love and its problems; the crazy uncle and the thousand crazy uncles of the mind; Albert Speer’s battle with truth; the agonies of need vs. want

Recorded Jun 20 2015

Apr 09 2015

The Long Island call-in on Jim Harold’s Campfire; hybrids, possible origins; Friedman and the Swedes; surprising lack of hybrid encounters in the everyday world; whether humans with superhuman abilities must be hybrids; hybrid vs. transgenic; so-called indigo children and Strieber

Heredity and telepathy and the body; Strieber’s guardian; severity of the visitors and the One Chance; spiritual development diverging from wisdom

The vicissitudes of being lifeforms and complexity; intimacy in socialized telepathy; the chance for high emotional sensitivity; Balducci and aliens not falling from grace; controlling one’s thoughts; their reluctance to be physically touched

Secrecy to protect them as much as us; spiritual mastery = vulnerability; aspects of mastery: ‘exquisite’ levels of control; complexity and pathology; physical longevity of visitors; life and infection: extending the principle to vulnerability at all levels (epigenetic, informational, etc.); the Grays fighting forever

History and fate; One Chance and its relation to Time; astrology and patterns; tendencies as potential and free choice; being left in eternal question vs being marked for eternity; regret; the loss of mastery

Gurdjieff the man; advertising lack of mastery; the legendary; all-dimension mastery and Wilbur; transmission; self-knowledge of mastery

Mastery/non-mastery vs. spectrum of consciousness; sidhes as side-effects and not goals; being born into spiritual cultures; individual vs. collective mastery; karmic inheritance

Ouspensky’s rejection of Gurdjieff; morals and a teaching not absorbed; the Fact of the Other Person; one’s desire being all that is left; transmission ending after two generations; biography of Paul Anderson; natural gurus; development as a function of time

Recorded Apr 09 2015

See Jim Harold’s Campire #215 for the Long Island story

Mar 28b 2015 – Whitley Strieber series

Nature’s End vs. The Key and Superstorm: ‘true encounter’ or shift in mainstream science news? Strieber reacting to new material at the edges of the mainstream, transmuting it into prophecy; Prophecies that never came true; Strieber and appeals to secret knowledge; the disingenuousness of Strieber: successive stages including initial dismissal, ‘truth stranger than fiction’, believing Strieber’s cloying earnestness, finally seeing Strieber shading the truth and constructing a biography; Strieber’s responsibility in his own ridicule

Mainstream culture and the cultural relevance of contact; Persecution as another way of affirming one’s central importance; the pathetic; the missing fruits of Strieber’s participation with the Gurdjieff group; alternate explanations for Strieber’s departure; self-remembering and loss of self-awareness; ruthless self-consideration, difficulty imagining Strieber’s trajectory in the Work; tasks given in the Gurdjieff Group in order exhaust certain propensities; the Gurdjieff Work sustained by oral tradition more than written materials; the question of what happened to Strieber in the Work

Accounting for Strieber’s strange lack of self-awareness; ruling out ordinary psychosis, the ‘fullness’ of normal neurotic discourse; Strieber’s susceptibility to hypnosis; Strieber’s slips of the tongue lasting entire chapters; the ego as a self-accounting and missing places in Strieber’s ‘ledger’; the fiasco with the two editions of The Key; the nature of the dream state; midday contact encounters acquiring a dreamlike dimension; the Grays appearing simultaneously in a waking and dream state; the dualism implied by an ‘Imaginal’ vs. Mind as underlying reality; the consequences of a lifetime of ‘mind’-like experiences; the imagination in the ordinary sense as intermediary; Strieber using the ordinary imagination as a way of managing ‘mind’ experiences; the addition of public and personal missions confusing the situation even further; Strieber living in his imagination as explanation for immunity to Gurdjieff work

Strieber and alienation, narcissism; Gurdjieff’s critique of the Westerner, the imposition of imagery on experience; Robert Bruce and shaping lucid experience, the capacity of the mind to convince itself of the reality of lucid experience; lucid experience and The Key; turning the lens on oneself; self-awareness as an external requirement, a social demand; Strieber’s refusal to admit the dreamlike quality of the original ‘true encounter’; the notes of the encounter as ‘squiggles’ not producing the conversation; Strieber denying that the conversation lasted as long as two hours; Strieber’s denial provoking questions about the basic scenario: Strieber’s own thinking vindicated by way of otherworldly authority; the problem of separating Strieber from the ‘Master of the Key’, whether this is any ‘Master’ at all

Arguing the authenticity of The Key; the machine-like precision of the text unlike anything Strieber had written; the balancing of attention and taking in bodily impressions two ideas from Gurdjieff, but articulated in a way far superior to Strieber’s usual exposition; the superb economy of expression in the conversation; an implied deeper system and linguistic resonances in the text; the problem of Strieber’s original description of the Master’s speech: guttural sounds, growls, and ‘hyperdimensional’ style

The productive value of a ‘negative’ thrust to Strieber’s work vs. Strieber apologetics; the issue of style in the Tarcher; the basic premise of The Key made fundamentally problematic; parallels between Strieber and Gurdjieff; injecting ideas into society and erasing the traces; the book losing its revelatory quality when its ‘key’ assertions are located in science journals of the time; Strieber’s shifting cosmology; years spent on composition of text

Technical distinctions in The Key; different schemas: three levels of mind with ‘vestiges’ of a fourth vs. the elemental/energetic body distinction; centers and bodies in Gurdjieff; the originality of the presentation; ideas from Gurdjieff: the power of attention and the accumulation of impressions, the quest for permanence which Strieber relates to persistence after death; whether anything meaningful can be said about the Master of the Key’s message if a true encounter did occur

Channeled material including Seth Speaks; the Christ Myth theory (New Testament minimalism) and the claim in The Key that Jesus was seen after death; parallels with questions of the ‘true encounter’; an ensemble of problems; how a text can be approached: levels of development and paralogical considerations; pursuing issues of authenticity until their practical end; the separate issue of truthfulness of different claims in the conversation; electronic voice phenomena; the ‘indigo’ children; ‘Mars was murdered’ and ‘dead forever’; the electromagnetic organ in The Secret School; why defend Strieber? Declaring the work undecidable; Ed Conroy’s Report on Communion: Strieber’s emotionality as a child, Clarke’s Childhood’s End; Details in Report on Communion that fall outside the Strieber-presented paradigm

Recorded on Mar 28 2015

Mar 28a 2015 – Whitley Strieber series

The Key and Gurdjieff, physical exercises and attention, essence and aim; appropriation and ambiguity when it comes to Gurdjieff; strangeness of Strieber’s lack of reaction to Gurdjieffian ideas in the ‘conversation’. Two kinds of appropriation: direct, gross appropriation and unconscious appropriations sometimes given different meaning; law of three and seven as ‘giveaway’: the case of the dog that did not bark, mention of Freemasonry as type of evasion

Psychological problems vs. psychological dimensions of avoiding mention of Gurdjieff: theories accounting for such; Strieber positioning himself as trailblazer, intellectual visionary obscuring his biggest influence to protect or promote his own place; Strieber in the New York Foundation in charges of pupils demonstrates mastery of basic Gurdjieff concepts; style of speech in Gurdjieff groups: in full paragraphs and from a place of mastery (same style as in The Key); Strieber asked to leave NY Foundation, perhaps unheard of; says in The Path asked to leave for twenty years; tasked with injecting Gurdjieff’s ideas into broader culture?

Question of Strieber’s consciousness of his own motives; knowledge held back; the problem of rationalization and mental flexibility; example of denying Christianity, belief in God; some revelations are as if ‘limited hangouts’

Strieber and sexuality, whether he is conflicted; the Grays and sexuality; Strieber calling sex a ‘challenging’ subject; Strieber as an instrument of higher intelligence intentionally fractured to divide message from messenger; strange handling of sex in Strieber’s fiction, out-of-place and unreal dialogue; fracturing of personality separate from issue of sex and simple result of experiences; conventional sexuality and childish imagination; Strieber’s later fiction as worse than awful; Michael Talbot, homosexual, going to Hell in Strieber’s vision

Strieber as messenger: 1980s vs. existing lore; Strieber hijacking cultural conversation, introducing idea of mysterious Grays; Strieber not knowing whether he is coming or going; content of work vs. its effects; effects either limited or invisible; implausibility of ‘using’ Strieber for specific or direct effect given the chaos of his work

Contact in the 20th century; Enrique Rincon, the security apparatus, the possibility of psychological warfare; managing the public response to UFOs; injecting ambiguity into public perception of issue; Strieber’s success at spreading the Gospel of Ambiguity when it comes to the contact question; abductions in the contactee era; abduction coming into focus in the eighties; Majestic-style organizations, the possibility of psychological operations; Communion and rendering contact a private, individual matter as opposed to collective social issue with collective social reaction; intention vs. function; the survival of accommodationist thinking, Strieber as an Apostle Paul of the abduction phenomenon: internalizing contact, turning the other cheek serving the power structure; abduction being far from place of cultural importance

Contact vs. abduction: undecidable; cultural setting of stories and interpretations; secrecy as lost cause: compartmentalization (and management of UFO issue) as illusion; Isaac and CARET, the likelihood of an enormous gap between humans and aliens; what is happening as what is intended; mastery vs. all-powerful; lurching between extremes; accidents to the supremely knowledgeable; catastrophism and foreknowledge

Transcendental positions and fallacy: ‘we can’t possibly know’; subjectively leaving question open vs. objective dogma of impossibility of knowing; Gurdjieff; the open question about The Key and spiritual truths; Strieber implementing ambiguity in his discourse in order to communicate state of consciousness required to reflect phenomenon; mental preoccupation; Strieber unaware of copying himself, preoccupied with his mission; frustrating an identification with visceral sense data of experience; the problem of being public intellectual of alien paradigm with such gaps and holes in experience

Promotion of ambivalence and authority, awareness of the conflict between the two; the dangers of taking public stances and self-division; the trajectory of Strieber’s writing career, Cassandra phase of career; Communion as consistent with public intellectual interest; Strieber’s ‘unpublished’ book post-Disclosure; Strieber’s bitterness and his mission; psychological distortion of criticisms made against him; the Craig Ferguson appearance; Larry King and Tom Snyder; the rectal probe and the issue of rape; the aspect of rape already mentioned in Communion vs. ‘twenty-five years before I told my wife I had been raped’; rape as metaphor for victimization in general; rectal probe vs. electroejaculator; the importance given by Strieber to the abuse or ‘roughing’ him up in waking him up; the lucid state in Communion as in The Key; Strieber’s accounts compared to other abduction accounts; Strieber’s uncertainty

Memory vs. imagination: Strieber remembers by imagining; Strieber, disaster scenarios, and emotional investment; Strieber dogmatic on catastrophe scenarios, ambivalent on contact; the captivation offered by imagination; Strieber as rare adult case of captivation by imagination; the relation between positioning oneself as public intellectual and Cassandra warning the public of dangers; Strieber’s ebook Solar Flares; Strieber and appropriation

Recorded Mar 28 2015